Posts by Anna Marina

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

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i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

Anna Marina

Regarding when the Group Study Arrangement stopped -

I noticed that it coincided with instructions to not use 1st names, even within the Group Study. They were stamping on natural human relations. To not use someone's name is cold and distancing. The apostles did not refer to each other as 'Brother + surname'. The term brothers is used as a collective term in the Bible and maybe as an affectionate term but not as a general replacement for a name.

Also around this time, they stopped speakers bringing the love from the congregation they came from or had visited. The love was only to come from top down. It wasn't to go sideways.

All this reminded me of Gestalt Humanistic Psychology - teaching people to live without love, within a cold set of relationships based on contract and money (ie the corporate environment).

Given it is pretty clear they are nothing but a media and property developing company posing as both a charity and religion, the practice of Gestalt Humanistic Psychology instead of Jesus' teachings seems to be their direction of travel.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

On the matter of saying other people should be eradcated and claiming connection to Jesus Christ and his Father, the God of Abraham.

(Matthew 5:43-48) . . .“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. 46 For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 YOU must accordingly be perfect, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect.

Also

(Matthew 5:38-42) . . .YOU heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 However, I say to YOU: Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40 And if a person wants to go to court with you and get possession of your inner garment, let your outer garment also go to him; 41 and if someone under authority impresses you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one that wants to borrow from you [without interest].

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

TD - Spinoza too is in there. But I was just making a quick point as easily as I knew how without going into lots of detail which people are better of doing themselves if the subject is of interest to them. But if it is not of interest or they do not agree, fair enough.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

TD if Kant etc is your thing you are in the same area. I just didn't bother to cover that in the short few lines I wrote.

Crofty its a steer, an overview. If you perceive it as random dots, ok I understand why you might say that. I appreciate that you have your own view and I respect that our views are different.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

TD even what you are calling the Englightenment has its roots in something older than Madam de Pompadour and her associated philosphers. It comes from belief in the Golden Age and ideas about Utopia.

But I appreciate you hold a different view. So if you want to investigate further, its up to you. If not. Ok.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

Crofty feel free to check out the historical links yourself.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

TD - Enlightenment started by Voltaire (plus some). Voltaire influence Fredrick the Great, Hilter looked up to Fredrick the Great. Voltaire as a philosopher was supported by the purse of Madam de Pompadour, mistress to the French King. She supported the philosphers because the French Queen was supported by the clergy.

It was all about looking to the doctrines of the East rather than to the doctrines in the Bible and the accounts of the patriarchs. The Orient had no tradition of the patriarchs. The problem as far as Voltaire was concerned was that all knowledge of the patriachs inevitably lead to Jesus Christ, therefore Jewish history should not be taught.

This is the root of anti-semitism. The liberty spoken of is really libertinism. The progress is what Joseph Rutherford heralded as the sign of Christ's presence, like electricity and cream separators. You find a lot of this spoken about by Emerson, Colridge, Wordsworth, Shelley, Byron. The dawning of golden age when things get back to how it was in Athena's day (ie Greek gods - before the flood - Atlantis).

All the false teachings of the WT have their roots in theo sufism, sufism is a mystic form of Islam.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH3ihwoNqmw

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Anna Marina

Sufism is a form of Islam that is non-religious. Remind you of anything?

Not being locked into one thing is why Sufism was never about a religion, adds Rabia. “Sufism was never a religion. Islam is a religion.”

http://www.rfi.fr/en/middle-east/20180127-what-sufism-and-why-does-it-bother-some-muslims

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What a wonderful time---for faders to fade away!

by eyeuse2badub in

i’ve been thinking about it for a few weeks and i’m sort of surprised that no one else has introduced this topic!.

what better time than now for a fader to fade?

no meetings, no field service, no elder visits, no assemblies, no convention, and no other bullshit busy work going on.

Anna Marina

The Zoom meetings can probably track your level of attention (eye movements, blink rate, head position etc). So if I was still in I would definitely not download Zoom. If people are downloading Zoom and getting involved it'll get tougher for them to leave. The ones on the edge will be easily identified and all tactics used to slide away will be noted and dealt with.

I wonder if the next thing will be a 'helpful' personal GPS tracking system to help you maintain social distancing - and enable the elders to see exactly where you are and who you are visiting.

Maybe an electronic shock delivered if you have been on a doorstep too long chatting.

Remake the bicycle so it like a whopping great gyroscope on wheels, stick them in that and they wont even be free to direct their own footsteps or direction of their head. Just program it so it takes them direct to Chelmsford.